I've been wondering about this for years and hope to experiment with it some day.
But I'm still with the ball-nose bit & 3-axis method for now.
If you do any experiments in this direction I hope you'll post about it
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| Author: | Shane Neifer [ Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | 4th axis for neck routing |
I am upgrading the controller on my CNC before I set it back up after almost three years sitting in the corner of our current garage. I have requested that the new controller be capable for a 4th axis as I was thinking that a small rotary table (much like a lathe) may be good for carving necks. Any thoughts on this? Thanks Shane |
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| Author: | rlrhett [ Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 4th axis for neck routing |
I've carved over 50 necks (most for a charity giveaway, but a dozen or so for my instruments) on a three axis machine. I think Andy Birko runs his business on a three axis machine. I don't think there is any need for an "A" rotary axis. That said, I love experimenting. I've been toying with adding one too just to see what I actually can make with it! So don't let me discourage you. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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| Author: | Shane Neifer [ Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 4th axis for neck routing |
Ya I was just thinking of using a straight bit, rather than a ballnose and then you might be able to keep the neck blank surface square to the bit. And like you, it would be a bit of experimenting for sure. Thanks Shane |
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| Author: | Durero [ Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 4th axis for neck routing |
I've been wondering about this for years and hope to experiment with it some day. But I'm still with the ball-nose bit & 3-axis method for now. If you do any experiments in this direction I hope you'll post about it
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| Author: | Andy Birko [ Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 4th axis for neck routing |
I thought about this strategy too but, everything works so well with 3 axis. The thing that I'd worry about is on thinner necks, you'd probably see a lot of vibration when cutting around the middle. Some sort of trunnion table could eliminate the vibration but it's also eliminates the possibility of machining the whole neck in one setup - which is kinda the goal of using 4 axis |
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| Author: | Don Williams [ Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 4th axis for neck routing |
I don't see vibration as an issue if you have a solidly machined, indexed, and very stiff holder for the neck blank. Don't forget, the 4th axis wouldn't need to move fast (although Andy would want it going at 1000 IPM, I'm sure), it just needs to be really solid. The spindle does all the work, but even then it will mostly move in just two directions, depending on the code and toolpath you choose. I would still want a ball-nose cutter since we're talking about tapered cuts, unless you build the taper into the jig, but that would be difficult since you're not cutting a round object, but typically an elliptical one. I've also thought a lot about it, and nearly started to work on one. But as Andy said, doing it on the 3-axis machine works so darned well. |
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| Author: | Andy Birko [ Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 4th axis for neck routing |
Don Williams wrote: I don't see vibration as an issue if you have a solidly machined, indexed, and very stiff holder for the neck blank. That's the point I was making though - if you have a "very stiff holder for the neck blank" - you have a trunnion style 4th axis which necessarily prohibits machining access to one of the work faces. So, If you can't chuck up a piece of wood and have the machine cut all 4 sides, what's the point in even going 4th axis? Only disadvantages over 3 axis IMNSHO 
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| Author: | Durero [ Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 4th axis for neck routing |
Andy Birko wrote: Don Williams wrote: I don't see vibration as an issue if you have a solidly machined, indexed, and very stiff holder for the neck blank. That's the point I was making though - if you have a "very stiff holder for the neck blank" - you have a trunnion style 4th axis which necessarily prohibits machining access to one of the work faces. So, If you can't chuck up a piece of wood and have the machine cut all 4 sides, what's the point in even going 4th axis? Only disadvantages over 3 axis IMNSHO These are great points. What about using a trunnion with a slot in it for cutting the truss rod slot? So you could still cut the whole neck in one clamping. |
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| Author: | Andy Birko [ Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 4th axis for neck routing |
Durero wrote: What about using a trunnion with a slot in it for cutting the truss rod slot? So you could still cut the whole neck in one clamping. It probably wouldn't work for me because I establish the tenon or dovetail mating surface from the fretboard side as well as cut the profile of the neck. The profiling step could possibly be skipped but I find it helps with tear out in some spots on the back. Doesn't mean that it wouldn't work for you though. Give it a shot and report back! |
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| Author: | Don Williams [ Thu Sep 07, 2017 8:39 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 4th axis for neck routing |
Just a thought here, but not every operation is necessarily done best or more efficiently on the cnc. Just sayin'... |
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| Author: | Andy Birko [ Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 4th axis for neck routing |
Agreed! |
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